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Bikers Chat => On Two Wheels => Topic started by: Thepuma on August 12, 2017, 05:04:29 PM

Title: 765 Daytona....what are people's thoughts on IF/WHEN we will see one.
Post by: Thepuma on August 12, 2017, 05:04:29 PM
As per my newbie thread I'm in the market for a new bike. Love sports bikes with farings and love the Daytona. I only want to buy brand new so that means at present - no Daytona.

So..test rode the Triple RS  and loved it.

Question now is....will there be a 765 Daytona and if so is it likely to be next year? I really want a new bike and would pull the trigger on the Triple (although I'm not a massive naked bike fan)..but would be gutted if 6 months after getting one they announce a new Daytona.

If it's likely to be out next year id wait..but if not I'm sure id be happy with the Triple for a couple of years.

What's people's thought on the possibility of a 765 Daytona in the next 12-16 months?
Title: Re: 765 Daytona....what are people's thoughts on IF/WHEN we will see one.
Post by: Mart62 on August 12, 2017, 05:24:55 PM
I'm affaid the market for the Daytona is a hard one.
Yamaha R6 is the only one so far to be updated.
The Street is ideally suited to it's name.
Yes loved my 13+ Daytona .
Was fine with the Tiger xrx tbh to a point.That only had a screen.
Yes the RS could probably stick it to alot of middle waigh track day bike's .
As I mainly ride B roads the lack of the plastic isn't making very much impact on my enjoyment.
Maybe a pugin screen like on the Speed Triple might b a later mod .
New Daytona 765 might be able to capitalise on the link with Moto 2 .
Title: Re: 765 Daytona....what are people's thoughts on IF/WHEN we will see one.
Post by: aaronlm on August 12, 2017, 06:46:36 PM
As I said earlier Triumph would be daft not to capitalise in a Daytona refresh also an updated speed triple could be done to really bring it all in line and bang up to date.
Title: Re: 765 Daytona....what are people's thoughts on IF/WHEN we will see one.
Post by: stuboogaloo on August 12, 2017, 07:28:25 PM
What does to take to make a Daytona? Would it just be adding fairing, new rear set and clip ons to the RS and then promoting it? If so there must be profit if even a small number of bikes are sold.

My prediction: we'll see one in spring '18, exactly twelve months after the new Street was released. But then I know feck all about the bike industry.
Title: Re: 765 Daytona....what are people's thoughts on IF/WHEN we will see one.
Post by: shaun on August 12, 2017, 07:59:28 PM
They couldn't sell the last Daytona so I doubt they will make another, naked,adventure,retro all sell well but sports bike don't.
Title: Re: 765 Daytona....what are people's thoughts on IF/WHEN we will see one.
Post by: billy1mate on August 12, 2017, 08:28:04 PM
There might be a resurgence with the Daytona in view of Triumph supplying Moto 2 with the 765 engine next season. There will be a lot of development work going on including race parts, might be foolish not to capitalise, all imo though.
Title: Re: 765 Daytona....what are people's thoughts on IF/WHEN we will see one.
Post by: shaun on August 12, 2017, 08:36:18 PM
You might be right but I doubt it,if they did make a 765 sports bike what would it cost? The naked is 10 grand! BMW do the 1000rr for 11 grand don't they?
Title: Re: 765 Daytona....what are people's thoughts on IF/WHEN we will see one.
Post by: billy1mate on August 12, 2017, 08:56:12 PM
S1000RR are £15000 new so there should be room for a D765R, agree though the 765RS is pricey.
Title: Re: 765 Daytona....what are people's thoughts on IF/WHEN we will see one.
Post by: Thepuma on August 12, 2017, 08:57:04 PM
*Originally Posted by shaun [+]
You might be right but I doubt it,if they did make a 765 sports bike what would it cost? The naked is 10 grand! BMW do the 1000rr for 11 grand don't they?

BMW S1000RR is £14,500 new at best...a massive jump from the £9500 You can get the Triple RS for.

You may get a S1000R for £12,000 with a bit of haggling.

The selling point for a 765 Daytona could be £10,500 - all they need is a few farings and clipons onto the Triple.
Title: Re: 765 Daytona....what are people's thoughts on IF/WHEN we will see one.
Post by: shaun on August 12, 2017, 08:59:12 PM
Yes your right they are not 11 grand I could have sworn I read they were lol.
Title: Re: 765 Daytona....what are people's thoughts on IF/WHEN we will see one.
Post by: exuptoy on August 16, 2017, 11:45:53 PM
Another thing is even though the 600 supersport class is dead there are still 750 class bikes, Gixer750, MV800, Duke 898 etc and the thought of the litre class bikes now touching £15k I'm sure there's space for a premium 765 Tona. As you say, just bolt on a fairing, clip ons and rear sets and use the RS lump job done. Premium bikes will always sell.
Title: Re: 765 Daytona....what are people's thoughts on IF/WHEN we will see one.
Post by: Kwacky on August 17, 2017, 09:26:20 AM
*Originally Posted by aaronlm [+]
As I said earlier Triumph would be daft not to capitalise in a Daytona refresh also an updated speed triple could be done to really bring it all in line and bang up to date.

You'll get the second part of your wish, but I doubt very much you'll get the first part.

Rumours are that the 1050 will get an interim make over shortly, so expect the screen from the 765 to make an appearance as well as some other bits and pieces.  The Speed needs to be updated so there's a decent gap in power between the Street and the Speed.  There is more potential with the 765 engine, as the Moto2 deal shows. 135bhp - 140 bhp may be possible. 

I suspect (but don't know) that Triumph will want to take on the super nakeds so that will mean a 170bhp+ bike

It took Triumphs years to recovery the costs of developing and selling the 675 Daytona.  There really isn't a big enough market now for sportsbike for them to want to make a new one.  I might be wrong and Triumph may surprise us.
Title: Re: 765 Daytona....what are people's thoughts on IF/WHEN we will see one.
Post by: stevebst675 on August 25, 2017, 04:33:28 PM
Pure Triumph in Woburn are building a limited number of 5 x units where they are taking an RS and fitting a Daytona fairing.
The bike will be about £15-16k by the time they've finished fettling with it.
Best be quick if you want one as 2 are already pre-sold.
Title: Re: 765 Daytona....what are people's thoughts on IF/WHEN we will see one.
Post by: Thepuma on August 25, 2017, 04:41:57 PM
*Originally Posted by stevebst675 [+]
Pure Triumph in Woburn are building a limited number of 5 x units where they are taking an RS and fitting a Daytona fairing.
The bike will be about £15-16k by the time they've finished fettling with it.
Best be quick if you want one as 2 are already pre-sold.

Can imagine insurance will be the sticking point with those. Non standard etc.
Title: Re: 765 Daytona....what are people's thoughts on IF/WHEN we will see one.
Post by: stevebst675 on August 26, 2017, 02:40:31 PM
Probably but it would be worth it if you have the money.
Title: Re: 765 Daytona....what are people's thoughts on IF/WHEN we will see one.
Post by: Thepuma on August 26, 2017, 03:33:16 PM
*Originally Posted by stevebst675 [+]
Pure Triumph in Woburn are building a limited number of 5 x units where they are taking an RS and fitting a Daytona fairing.
The bike will be about £15-16k by the time they've finished fettling with it.
Best be quick if you want one as 2 are already pre-sold.

Wow...£6,000 for a few fairings!!! .....price is OTT if you ask me. If Triumph were to release a Daytona factory model it would probably retail for around £11,000 so would be pretty gutting if you'd just thrown £16k at one of these only to find in 2018 you could get one for £5,000 cheaper

They will find buyers though no doubt.
Title: Re: 765 Daytona....what are people's thoughts on IF/WHEN we will see one.
Post by: aaronlm on August 26, 2017, 03:42:58 PM
*Originally Posted by Thepuma [+]
Wow...£6,000 for a few fairings!!! .....price is OTT if you ask me. If Triumph were to release a Daytona factory model it would probably retail for around £11,000 so would be pretty gutting if you'd just thrown £16k at one of these only to find in 2018 you could get one for £5,000 cheaper

They will find buyers though no doubt.

True but you are paying for a custom built limited number which makes it one of a kind and therefore considerably more valuable.
Title: Re: 765 Daytona....what are people's thoughts on IF/WHEN we will see one.
Post by: Mart62 on August 26, 2017, 04:07:27 PM
If your keen enough i guess  track day fairings are a start....
(https://images.weserv.nl/?url=www.sharkskinz.com/images/daytona675.jpg)
Title: Re: 765 Daytona....what are people's thoughts on IF/WHEN we will see one.
Post by: Harrycaine on August 26, 2017, 08:33:45 PM
I'd love to see a sport -tourer version.....along the lines off VFR800/Ducati Supersport.....an all rounder sport bike .....this class has almost disapeared but to my mind it's the perfect all round real world sport bike for commuting to touring with the odd track day, a little weather protection is nice to have for all year use  but still want a lightweight fun bike.....in fact I may buy a Supersport next unless something else new comes along from Triumph.

HC
Title: Re: 765 Daytona....what are people's thoughts on IF/WHEN we will see one.
Post by: Tomspurs on August 26, 2017, 08:47:14 PM
It would make sense to do a half faired tourer and a Daytona. They could reduce their model range by getting rid of 75% of those 800 Tiger models  :230:
Title: Re: 765 Daytona....what are people's thoughts on IF/WHEN we will see one.
Post by: Thepuma on August 26, 2017, 09:23:16 PM
*Originally Posted by Harrycaine [+]
I'd love to see a sport -tourer version.....along the lines off VFR800/Ducati Supersport.....an all rounder sport bike .....this class has almost disapeared but to my mind it's the perfect all round real world sport bike for commuting to touring with the odd track day, a little weather protection is nice to have for all year use  but still want a lightweight fun bike.....in fact I may buy a Supersport next unless something else new comes along from Triumph.

HC

Funnily enough I was in the market for the  Ducati Supersport....always dreamt of owning a Ducati.

I test rode one and if I'm honest, I was totally underwhelmed by it. Round town it was slow off the blocks (unless thrashed)...and it sounded terrible,  like a lumpy Deisel car...all rattly and clattery.  I'd gone from wanting to put a deposit down to totally going off the idea in one 40 minute ride. The price is way OTT..its bizarrely just a few  hundred short of a Panigale. I did test ride a Panigale straight after bit I felt the same about that...but with the completely uncomfortable ride making it poor for commuting.

This led me to reassess what bikes would be on my list for a next bike....this led me to the Street triple....id never contemplated a naked bike bit took a test ride just to see what they were like...well the rest is history. Just 10 minutes onto the ride I just knew it was going to be my next bike.

A few days later and I'd put my order in.

Just 6 more days till I pick her up!!!
Title: Re: 765 Daytona....what are people's thoughts on IF/WHEN we will see one.
Post by: aaronlm on August 26, 2017, 09:26:19 PM
*Originally Posted by Thepuma [+]
Funnily enough I was in the market for the  Ducati Supersport....always dreamt of owning a Ducati.

I test rode one and if I'm honest, I was totally underwhelmed by it. Round town it was slow off the blocks (unless thrashed)...and it sounded terrible,  like a lumpy Deisel car...all rattly and clattery.  I'd gone from wanting to put a deposit down to totally going off the idea in one 40 minute ride. The price is way OTT..its bizarrely just a few  hundred short of a Panigale. I did test ride a Panigale straight after bit I felt the same about that...but with the completely uncomfortable ride making it poor for commuting.

This led me to reassess what bikes would be on my list for a next bike....this led me to the Street triple....id never contemplated a naked bike bit took a test ride just to see what they were like...well the rest is history. Just 10 minutes onto the ride I just knew it was going to be my next bike.

A few days later and I'd put my order in.

Just 6 more days till I pick her up!!!

Couldnít agree more with your assessment of the Supersport. For 12K starting it asked too many questions and frankly was dissapointment when test rode it..
Title: Re: 765 Daytona....what are people's thoughts on IF/WHEN we will see one.
Post by: Harrycaine on August 26, 2017, 09:39:43 PM
Interesting, thanks for the comments, must book a test ride........VFR800 then.

HC
Title: Re: 765 Daytona....what are people's thoughts on IF/WHEN we will see one.
Post by: noggin on August 27, 2017, 03:38:43 PM
*Originally Posted by Harrycaine [+]
I'd love to see a sport -tourer version.....along the lines off VFR800/Ducati Supersport.....an all rounder sport bike .....this class has almost disapeared but to my mind it's the perfect all round real world sport bike for commuting to touring with the odd track day, a little weather protection is nice to have for all year use  but still want a lightweight fun bike.....in fact I may buy a Supersport next unless something else new comes along from Triumph.

HC

I wanted a second bike that was fun, light and a tourer so I bought a Turismo Veloce 800 which is fantastic especially with the FM Projects exhaust, I rarely use the Brutale now. Triumph should maybe look at something like the Turismo.
Title: Re: 765 Daytona....what are people's thoughts on IF/WHEN we will see one.
Post by: billy1mate on August 28, 2017, 09:26:28 AM
*Originally Posted by Kwacky [+]
Rumours are that the 1050 will get an interim make over shortly, so expect the screen from the 765 to make an appearance as well as some other bits and pieces.  The Speed needs to be updated so there's a decent gap in power between the Street and the Speed. 

The Speed Triple had a facelift in 2016 (lights, plastics, 50+ engine mods) to update it, there may be another update on the way but I think it would be a redesign rather than another facelift and probably not for 3 years.



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Title: Re: 765 Daytona....what are people's thoughts on IF/WHEN we will see one.
Post by: Gruffalo on September 04, 2017, 11:00:51 PM
With the 765 power plant being used in Moto2 from 2019 I wouldn't be at all surprised to see a Daytona release to coincide with it. Maybe with a reworked engine to give figures somewhere between the Street Triple and the full blown Moto 2 variant.

Obviously I know no more than the next man but if I was one of the head honchos at Triumph I'd be looking to take full advantage of the Moto 2 tie-in. At the very least I'd be considering a special edition to mark the occasion......possibly 765 bikes?
Title: Re: 765 Daytona....what are people's thoughts on IF/WHEN we will see one.
Post by: tagzy_biker on September 05, 2017, 12:02:42 AM
Buy a ST-RS. There won't be a Daytona 765. The only reason there is a ST 765 is because of Euro 4, the very thing that is killing off 600 sportsbikes. I can't see a 765 Daytona nor a 1050. They'll have to re-stroke a 1050 and make it a rival to the Jap-missiles or there's no point from a business point of view. No one will buy it sadly.
Title: Re: 765 Daytona....what are people's thoughts on IF/WHEN we will see one.
Post by: Mart62 on September 05, 2017, 07:00:17 AM
Yamaha don't make a MT 09 super sport's.
Probably for the Euro 4 reason.
They lost power on the new very sexy R6 to get Euro 4 compliance.
Title: Re: 765 Daytona....what are people's thoughts on IF/WHEN we will see one.
Post by: Whatatrip64 on September 05, 2017, 07:51:42 AM
Although Ducati's new supersport is selling rather well... low (ish) power wrapped up in a compelling package  :461:
Title: Re: 765 Daytona....what are people's thoughts on IF/WHEN we will see one.
Post by: aaronlm on September 05, 2017, 08:00:12 AM
*Originally Posted by Whatatrip64 [+]
Although Ducati's new supersport is selling rather well... low (ish) power wrapped up in a compelling package  :461:

I havenít seen the sales figures but, When I test rode I was very underwhelmed by the whole thing and it was far too much money for what was being offered.
Title: Re: 765 Daytona....what are people's thoughts on IF/WHEN we will see one.
Post by: tagzy_biker on September 08, 2017, 03:48:24 PM
http://www.omnimoto.it/magazine/22507/triumph-test-moto2-daytona-765

In Italiano but just hit translate!

Here's to hoping and praying!!
Title: Re: 765 Daytona....what are people's thoughts on IF/WHEN we will see one.
Post by: stuboogaloo on September 11, 2017, 07:20:36 PM
If this does pop into existance, I wonder if it'll come with an IMU like the KTMs, 'S' BMWs and a few others?
Title: Re: 765 Daytona....what are people's thoughts on IF/WHEN we will see one.
Post by: aaronlm on September 12, 2017, 07:12:27 AM
*Originally Posted by stuboogaloo [+]
If this does pop into existance, I wonder if it'll come with an IMU like the KTMs, 'S' BMWs and a few others?

https://www.facebook.com/OfficialTriumphUK/videos/10155846679262625/ (https://www.facebook.com/OfficialTriumphUK/videos/10155846679262625/)

Leave your comments on there Facebook post maybe theyíll make one.
Title: Re: 765 Daytona....what are people's thoughts on IF/WHEN we will see one.
Post by: Echoes on September 13, 2017, 11:43:37 AM
I've seen this topic being discussed in other forums too. I get that the sportsbike market is shrinking and the costs involved to get a new bike to market. What I don't get is why Triumph would sign up with Moto2 but have no sportsbike to sell? Honda is exiting Moto2 exactly because they aren't going to be developing and selling 600 class sportsbikes anymore. From Triumph's perspective is it simply to say "Look at our 765 engine" and increase brand awareness to boost sales of the new Street Triple? I'm sure, they don't need a tie up with Moto2 to sell the new Striples (or other models across thir range).

I've been very tempted recently by the thought of selling my Striple and getting a Daytona. I think it'd be nearly impossible to stop me from doing so if they did release a D765.
Title: Re: 765 Daytona....what are people's thoughts on IF/WHEN we will see one.
Post by: Mart62 on September 13, 2017, 12:42:23 PM
Having owned the 2013 model Daytona it's a lovely bike.
It can commute as well as a brilliant track day tool.
Only reason I got rid of mine was because of my OA made it to uncomfortable.
Title: Re: 765 Daytona....what are people's thoughts on IF/WHEN we will see one.
Post by: pl4gu3b0rn on September 13, 2017, 02:17:47 PM
They really really really should.

I love my RS, and my friend has a 2011 Daytona, which is an awesome bike.

The 765 uses the same casing as the 675 so it's a straight swap. They could just pop the new engine in, update the Daytona's electronics with all the trick bits from the street and keep that wonderful chassis that the Daytona already has.

There have already been a few race teams that use Daytona's that have already just stuck the 765 in there.

When it's that simple... It's got to happen sooner or later. Missing a trick if they dont.

For what it's worth, the factory is opening a visitor center on October 3rd.

And releasing a new model at the opening event.

Let's hope eh.


Me... I'd just hope they'd open a dealership near to the factory! It's a pain having to schlep to Birmingham when I'm 5 mins from the factory!

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Title: Re: 765 Daytona....what are people's thoughts on IF/WHEN we will see one.
Post by: Kwacky on September 13, 2017, 03:40:11 PM
*Originally Posted by pl4gu3b0rn [+]

For what it's worth, the factory is opening a visitor center on October 3rd.

And releasing a new model at the opening event.


Tenner says it's an updated Speed Triple.
Title: Re: 765 Daytona....what are people's thoughts on IF/WHEN we will see one.
Post by: Dicky on September 13, 2017, 03:47:30 PM
Dealer told me new model for next year speed triple with TFT dash.  And double seat bobber.
Title: Re: 765 Daytona....what are people's thoughts on IF/WHEN we will see one.
Post by: Kwacky on September 13, 2017, 03:48:18 PM
*Originally Posted by Echoes [+]
Honda is exiting Moto2 exactly because they aren't going to be developing and selling 600 class sportsbikes anymore.

It's the other way round.  They stopped developing the CBR600rr a few years ago, since sales started to drop.  The engine is pretty much unchanged from 2005.  It being Honda they could knock out another 1000 engines and stay in Moto2 if they wanted to. 

*Originally Posted by Gruffalo [+]
With the 765 power plant being used in Moto2 from 2019 I wouldn't be at all surprised to see a Daytona release to coincide with it. Maybe with a reworked engine to give figures somewhere between the Street Triple and the full blown Moto 2 variant.

Obviously I know no more than the next man but if I was one of the head honchos at Triumph I'd be looking to take full advantage of the Moto 2 tie-in. At the very least I'd be considering a special edition to mark the occasion......possibly 765 bikes?

Being an engine supplier in Moto2 does nothing for sales of your supersports bikes. Look at the success of the sports bikes in WSBK and BSB.  It's not stopped the slump of sales. 

Maybe, just maybe, it's got feck all to do with a new middleweight sports bike? Maybe Triumph wanted to supply their engines because they already have one to supply.  It's a good marketing ploy and it raises Triumphs profile. 
Title: Re: 765 Daytona....what are people's thoughts on IF/WHEN we will see one.
Post by: heligan675 on September 16, 2017, 11:55:24 AM
daytona's went because of development costs versus sales figures, they cost a load more to R&D than adventure bikes, and the post 13 models didn't sell at all well, my local dealer could sell every 675R they could get when they first came out, the 2013 models were hard to sell.

Maybe as the 765 engine development side is covered by the motogp tie in they could justify building a chassis for it, but it's always about money with triumph, the 2011 speed triple was supposed to have a new engine to match the all new chassis but it got canned because of costs.

Title: Re: 765 Daytona....what are people's thoughts on IF/WHEN we will see one.
Post by: Ali-bear on September 19, 2017, 01:37:32 PM
*Originally Posted by pl4gu3b0rn [+]
...
For what it's worth, the factory is opening a visitor center on October 3rd.

And releasing a new model at the opening event.

...

From what I read they were going to "reveal a new motorcycling icon" or something like that. I find that pretty suggestive of a new Dayto. Unless it was wishful thinking on my part
Title: Re: 765 Daytona....what are people's thoughts on IF/WHEN we will see one.
Post by: Snips on September 19, 2017, 03:09:40 PM
Unless they're going to do an Apple-style 'One more thing...', sadly, this ain't gonna be the new Daytona...

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/new-bikes/2017/september/triumph-bonneville-speedmaster/

 :019:
Title: Re: 765 Daytona....what are people's thoughts on IF/WHEN we will see one.
Post by: Echoes on September 19, 2017, 03:12:16 PM
*Originally Posted by Snips [+]
Unless they're going to do an Apple-style 'One more thing...', sadly, this ain't gonna be the new Daytona...

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/new-bikes/2017/september/triumph-bonneville-speedmaster/

 :019:

Noooo!  :230: :134:
Title: Re: 765 Daytona....what are people's thoughts on IF/WHEN we will see one.
Post by: Ali-bear on September 19, 2017, 03:18:52 PM
Bollox
Title: Re: 765 Daytona....what are people's thoughts on IF/WHEN we will see one.
Post by: W_esty on September 19, 2017, 04:27:03 PM
There is a new Speed Triple 1050 due out with engine alterations, rider modes & fly by wire throttle.
Could be that?

Doubt we'll see a Daytona, sales figures in the past were less than 1/3 that of BMW S1000RR per annum in the UK (272 units vs high 800's). Doesn't make financial sense on a bike that sells less and had reduced margins than a litre to bring out a dying breed :( .

I thought the only reason the 2013 Daytona was released was due to the high R&D invested in the first place and scrapping would of been financially worse?
Title: Re: 765 Daytona....what are people's thoughts on IF/WHEN we will see one.
Post by: OuzoStreet on September 29, 2017, 07:19:40 PM
Since people have mentioned the Speed Triple and the possibility of a new one, I think the biggest issue with that bike is weight. Before I bought my Street I had the Speed in my sights, but it's just too heavy. It made my R1 feel positively featherweight, simply sitting on it. If Triumph got the gross weight down to 425lbs or less, what a bike it would be.

As for the possibility of a new Daytona, why not? The seat unit on the new Street would work well with a full fairing, they've already got Traction Control and ABS in place, the exhaust would sit well with a full fairing and they've got an air scoop out front too so I'm guessing they've already prepped the induction side of things with the Street development. Surely clipons, shorter brake lines, a front subframe to support a fairing and the fairing panels themselves and you're there. Even the coolant expansion tank is in the right place on the Street. How much would it really cost Triumph to get a D765 to market when they've already done the hard work with the new Street? Heck, if they wanted they could release a dealer fitted conversion kit for those with the cash to experiment.

Personally, I'd like to see a modern take on a cafe racer using the Street. I know this might step on the toes of the Thruxton R, but that's such a heavy bike. A light, nimble little 765 with clipons, single light and revised subframe and rear bodywork would be a phenomenal little bike, and much more in keeping with the spirit of a cafe racer than the Thruxton. With the right styling a paint I think it could be a hit. Just a thought  :002:
Title: Re: 765 Daytona....what are people's thoughts on IF/WHEN we will see one.
Post by: Kwacky on October 02, 2017, 09:16:49 AM
The new 1050 Speed Triple is just an update on the existing model.  There's supposed to be a brand new one coming out for 2019 which is supposed to take on the supernakeds like the S1000R and the Superduke.  I have no idea how true that is but the rumour is a 1200 engine.  The idea is to create a clear gap between the Street and the Speed as presently they're too close in terms of power produced.

I remain completely unconvinced that there will ever be a Daytona 765, but I'm happy to be proven wrong.  I'm sure it would sell, but would it sell well enough for Triumph to make money from it?  I guess the best we can hope for is for the 765 Street to do really well and for the profits from the street to be put to one side to develop a Daytona.  But as has been pointed out several times in this thread, there market for sports bikes is small and constantly decreasing.
Title: Re: 765 Daytona....what are people's thoughts on IF/WHEN we will see one.
Post by: Snips on October 02, 2017, 10:28:28 AM
It's a sad day when there's a market for bikes like the Bobber, but not for a Daytona  :019:
Title: Re: 765 Daytona....what are people's thoughts on IF/WHEN we will see one.
Post by: OuzoStreet on October 02, 2017, 12:32:45 PM
*Originally Posted by Snips [+]
It's a sad day when there's a market for bikes like the Bobber, but not for a Daytona  :019:

Too true. I often wonder if some people realise just how much they're missing out on in terms of performance - not just speed, but safe acceleration, awesome braking and super safe handling that's usually much better than the rider, giving a healthy safety margin. Sometimes I miss bikes like my old Honda 400/4, but the fact is it was relatively under powered for its weight, the low slung exhaust on the right was lethal in bumpy right hand bends and the front brake was completely inadequate for the combined weight of bike and rider.

I guess a lot depends on what riders on the continent, in Asia and the U.S want to ride. If lots of people in Asia want to thrash round on a supersport style bike, we might be lucky.

I'd still like to see a cafe racer Street Triple anyway - it could be a gorgeous modern take on it in terms of style and would make an even better scratcher with slightly more weight over the front wheel.

Having said that, I love the look of the Bobber. I've seen a couple out and about and I think they look really cool, but when I sat on one I realised my legs and arms are far too long even though I'm not that tall.
Title: Re: 765 Daytona....what are people's thoughts on IF/WHEN we will see one.
Post by: Kwacky on October 02, 2017, 03:12:18 PM
Going off topic, but the street cup is good fun.  I had one for a day when my STR was being serviced.

It's got a classic motorbike sound to it. 
Title: Re: 765 Daytona....what are people's thoughts on IF/WHEN we will see one.
Post by: Dicky on October 04, 2017, 04:28:54 PM
(https://cdn.img.street-triple.co.uk/15071308450411687644251.jpg)

This is in this week's MCN. To summarise, triumph not said no but nothing until 2020 if the demand is there.
Title: Re: 765 Daytona....what are people's thoughts on IF/WHEN we will see one.
Post by: Snips on October 04, 2017, 04:32:26 PM
Thank goodness for the Street Triple 765.
Title: Re: 765 Daytona....what are people's thoughts on IF/WHEN we will see one.
Post by: greyhound81 on October 05, 2017, 12:06:19 PM
ive just seen on MCN that the Daytona 765 has actually been announced, sweet!
Title: Re: 765 Daytona....what are people's thoughts on IF/WHEN we will see one.
Post by: BoroRob on October 05, 2017, 12:08:16 PM
Link?


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Title: Re: 765 Daytona....what are people's thoughts on IF/WHEN we will see one.
Post by: greyhound81 on October 05, 2017, 12:10:15 PM
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/magazine/
Title: Re: 765 Daytona....what are people's thoughts on IF/WHEN we will see one.
Post by: Mart62 on October 05, 2017, 12:32:07 PM
 :192:h
Don't you know this forums only for 675 Street Triple' s
 :007: 
https://www.motorcycle-magazine.com/daytona-765-triumph-wont-sell/
Title: Re: 765 Daytona....what are people's thoughts on IF/WHEN we will see one.
Post by: shaun on October 05, 2017, 12:32:27 PM
It does not say thereís a Daytona coming, it says at the earliest 2020 and thatís only if there was enough demand! They couldnít sell the last Daytona in enough numbers plus Honda & Yamaha have sold as few as 100 units in recent years according to mcn.
Title: Re: 765 Daytona....what are people's thoughts on IF/WHEN we will see one.
Post by: greyhound81 on October 05, 2017, 02:17:41 PM
*Originally Posted by shaun [+]
It does not say thereís a Daytona coming, it says at the earliest 2020 and thatís only if there was enough demand! They couldnít sell the last Daytona in enough numbers plus Honda & Yamaha have sold as few as 100 units in recent years according to mcn.

you read that on MCN mag then? I've only seen the front cover,
Title: Re: 765 Daytona....what are people's thoughts on IF/WHEN we will see one.
Post by: Dicky on October 05, 2017, 02:21:09 PM
(https://cdn.img.street-triple.co.uk/15071308450411687644251.jpg)

I posted this in the daytona 765 if/when thread.
Title: Re: 765 Daytona....what are people's thoughts on IF/WHEN we will see one.
Post by: Kwacky on October 05, 2017, 02:36:42 PM
The biggest story there is the 1200 Tiger.

They can stick a tuned version of that 1200cc engine in a brand new speed triple. 
Title: Re: 765 Daytona....what are people's thoughts on IF/WHEN we will see one.
Post by: Mart62 on October 05, 2017, 03:11:29 PM
*Originally Posted by Kwacky [+]
The biggest story there is the 1200 Tiger.

They can stick a tuned version of that 1200cc engine in a brand new speed triple.
Hang on there is a 1200 Tiger explorer already ??
Title: Re: 765 Daytona....what are people's thoughts on IF/WHEN we will see one.
Post by: billy1mate on October 05, 2017, 03:17:35 PM
Maybe it will sell once its proven itself in Moto 2.
Title: Re: 765 Daytona....what are people's thoughts on IF/WHEN we will see one.
Post by: shaun on October 05, 2017, 03:36:26 PM
*Originally Posted by greyhound81 [+]
you read that on MCN mag then? I've only seen the front cover,

Yes I read it in the magazine but did think the same as you because of cover when I picked mag up.
Title: Re: 765 Daytona....what are people's thoughts on IF/WHEN we will see one.
Post by: Kwacky on October 05, 2017, 03:50:44 PM
*Originally Posted by Mart62 [+]
Hang on there is a 1200 Tiger explorer already ??

So there is.  I feel all foolish now.  I thought the explorer was the 1050.

I'll climb back into my box.
Title: Re: 765 Daytona....what are people's thoughts on IF/WHEN we will see one.
Post by: Dicky on October 05, 2017, 03:56:54 PM
(https://cdn.img.street-triple.co.uk/20171004_163552.jpg)

As expected really, updated explorer, new lights, TFT dash. Updated speed, TFT dash, exhaust changes. A local dealer said 3 years off a whole new speed triple. (He did say they were working on a supercharger) now that would be something.
Title: Re: 765 Daytona....what are people's thoughts on IF/WHEN we will see one.
Post by: Kwacky on October 05, 2017, 04:07:42 PM
Isn't amazing how MCN get these "spy shots", with the cameraman in the same place, snapping what appears to be the same rider but on different bikes?
Title: Re: 765 Daytona....what are people's thoughts on IF/WHEN we will see one.
Post by: Admin on October 05, 2017, 04:18:11 PM
Two "Daytona" topics merged.

The topic that said Daytona announced has been renamed to the other topic, because like "shaun" says, "MCN does not say thereís a Daytona coming, it says at the earliest 2020 and thatís only if there was enough demand!"

Isn't amazing how MCN get these "spy shots", with the cameraman in the same place, snapping what appears to be the same rider but on different bikes?

Not hard, they have a few well trodden "test" routes in Spain where they do much of the run downs.   :001:
Title: Re: 765 Daytona....what are people's thoughts on IF/WHEN we will see one.
Post by: Mart62 on October 05, 2017, 10:05:17 PM
Having owned a Daytona 675 13+ and now the street.
I think the street is far more fun on the B roads and definitely in town.
Ok for track day s yes I guess a fully faired bike makes sense.
I don't live there. ....
Title: Re: 765 Daytona....what are people's thoughts on IF/WHEN we will see one.
Post by: exuptoy on October 07, 2017, 09:11:12 PM
*Originally Posted by Mart62 [+]
Having owned a Daytona 675 13+ and now the street.
I think the street is far more fun on the B roads and definitely in town.
Ok for track day s yes I guess a fully faired bike makes sense.
I don't live there. ....

In your opinion though obviously.
I have had sportsbikes for 20 years with only the odd forray into nakeds from time to time. I had 19 months on a 13 Street Triple R and whilst I loved every minute, I swapped onto a 12 Daytona and must say that I prefer it.

That, is obviously MY opinion.
Title: Re: 765 Daytona....what are people's thoughts on IF/WHEN we will see one.
Post by: Mart62 on October 08, 2017, 08:20:27 AM
"I think."
So yes it's my opinion from a 55+ with OA affected joint's.
The Tiger should have been the most sane bike at my age but then too many hero blobs . plus it needs a better suspension kit  The street RS is after a tweek. fit from the box.
Just changed the tyre's so I can enjoy it in the wet.
I'm looking for a taller screen cos there's bits I do like to get a shift on.
I've not got as close to my lap record on the Street as the Dayton did same route and the GPS plot hi light s were I lose out.
So I can appreciate if you are more Lethe the Dayton faring helps.
I easy did 350 miles on it back in 2013 .
I do find it easier to get through the traffic on a Street.
I actually makes you a bit of a hooligan tbh.  ;)
Title: Re: 765 Daytona....what are people's thoughts on IF/WHEN we will see one.
Post by: exuptoy on October 08, 2017, 02:41:34 PM
Now that is no exageration. :008:
Title: Re: 765 Daytona....what are people's thoughts on IF/WHEN we will see one.
Post by: Thepuma on October 08, 2017, 03:02:02 PM
*Originally Posted by Mart62 [+]
"I think."
So yes it's my opinion from a 55+ with OA affected joint's.
The Tiger should have been the most sane bike at my age but then too many hero blobs . plus it needs a better suspension kit  The street RS is after a tweek. fit from the box.
Just changed the tyre's so I can enjoy it in the wet.
I'm looking for a taller screen cos there's bits I do like to get a shift on.
I've not got as close to my lap record on the Street as the Dayton did same route and the GPS plot hi light s were I lose out.
So I can appreciate if you are more Lethe the Dayton faring helps.
I easy did 350 miles on it back in 2013 .
I do find it easier to get through the traffic on a Street.
I actually makes you a bit of a hooligan tbh.  ;)

The street is light and nimble...but I find it problematic filtering through traffic as the damn mirrors are so wide out I am hitting wing mirrors and struggle to get through gaps that my other bikes have sailed through..
Title: Re: 765 Daytona....what are people's thoughts on IF/WHEN we will see one.
Post by: Mart62 on October 08, 2017, 03:08:25 PM
Bar end one's turned in
So as long as the bar's clear job's a good
Title: Re: 765 Daytona....what are people's thoughts on IF/WHEN we will see one.
Post by: Thepuma on October 08, 2017, 03:55:44 PM
*Originally Posted by Mart62 [+]
Bar end one's turned in
So as long as the bar's clear job's a good

My mirrors turn in slightly...but still makes them stick out further than the bar end. Quite disappointing really
Title: Re: 765 Daytona....what are people's thoughts on IF/WHEN we will see one.
Post by: Mart62 on October 08, 2017, 04:18:37 PM
Um  well you can get a new set maybe up side down them.most bars go under the car mirror s.
Title: Re: 765 Daytona....what are people's thoughts on IF/WHEN we will see one.
Post by: Kwacky on October 31, 2017, 03:12:41 PM
If you go on Facebook and search for "Triumph Agen" you'll see that they've done their own version of a Daytona 765

Pure Triumph in Woburn are also offering a Daytona 765

So if you want one, you can get one.
Title: Re: 765 Daytona....what are people's thoughts on IF/WHEN we will see one.
Post by: EVOGT on November 18, 2017, 11:16:26 PM
All this speculation about a new Daytona. There is no new Daytona, the tie up with motoGP is all about getting the brand out there and is not aimed at any specific model. As for the Speed (current Speed S is no longer available unless dealer stock) will be replaced with a face lifted model. Two versions again R and RS with more power (around 150 PS), more electronics and the RS will have PVM wheels.
Title: Re: 765 Daytona....what are people's thoughts on IF/WHEN we will see one.
Post by: exuptoy on February 24, 2018, 08:07:58 PM
That's pretty much ch what they did a few years back, they stuck PVM wheels on another limited bike, was it the last gen Speed R? Maybe around 2013 or so.
Title: Possibilty of Daytona 765 ?
Post by: WillyLee on July 05, 2018, 12:53:38 AM
Do you think it's possible with the involvement of Triumph in Motogp as I believe that's an investment to develop road bike with data extract from those racer ?
 
Title: Re: Possibilty of Daytona 765 ?
Post by: Admin on July 05, 2018, 07:15:22 AM
Big discussion on this last year, see:

https://www.street-triple.co.uk/index.php/topic,31162.0.html

Also, as this topic is not Street Triple related, topic moved to "On Two Wheels" board. Please ensure you post in correct section !
Title: Re: Possibilty of Daytona 765 ?
Post by: WillyLee on July 05, 2018, 08:31:21 AM
Oops , sorry please close this thread thank you
Title: Re: Possibilty of Daytona 765 ?
Post by: JonB on July 05, 2018, 09:23:12 AM
The 765 Daytona discussion says the market is small for these bikes. In other words, unprofitable.

I think it's because anyone young enough to be able to ride in that extreme position probably can't afford the thing. Most of the customers I see in the local dealership are old bikers who no doubt aren't flexible enough to ride it. Myself included; I test rode a 675 Daytona last year and returned it after the first mile as it was killing my wrists, neck and shoulders. Way too radical.

On the other hand, I see demand for a faired 765, because the bike has unrealised touring potential and not everyone fancies a two wheeled land barge. It doen't have to be balls-out fast like the Daytona; it could be a sport tourer like the CBR600F which means the current state of tune would be fine. Clip-ons and rearsets not necessary here! Just a fairing... how hard can it be?
Title: Re: Possibilty of Daytona 765 ?
Post by: Will Morgan on July 05, 2018, 09:29:58 AM
One UK dealer (Pure Triumph Woburn) has already built their own 765 Daytona. When I was shopping around for my 765R earlier this year it was still for sale. They also did a Speed Triple 1050 version.

I wouldn't expect a genuine factory Daytona until the Moto2 bikes are racing for real and then only if that generates enough demand for production to be financially viable. And it might just be a track-only ready-to-race bike.

If that did happen and if there was a dedicated 765 Daytona short circuit race series it might generate enough demand for a street version. But that's a lot of "ifs" that don't necessarily add up to a profit, so my money is on a cosmetic makeover of the RS into a Daytona look-alike at the most.
Title: Re: Possibilty of Daytona 765 ?
Post by: Ali-bear on July 05, 2018, 10:29:15 AM
*Originally Posted by JonB [+]
On the other hand, I see demand for a faired 765, because the bike has unrealised touring potential and not everyone fancies a two wheeled land barge. It doen't have to be balls-out fast like the Daytona; it could be a sport tourer like the CBR600F which means the current state of tune would be fine. Clip-ons and rearsets not necessary here! Just a fairing... how hard can it be?

They could call it the Tigger.  :008:
Title: Re: Possibilty of Daytona 765 ?
Post by: W_esty on July 05, 2018, 04:35:49 PM
*Originally Posted by Will Morgan [+]
One UK dealer (Pure Triumph Woburn) has already built their own 765 Daytona. When I was shopping around for my 765R earlier this year it was still for sale.
They wanted about £4.5k plus my donor 765RS to make another one - ouch!

Daytonas are no longer viable.

The previous market can jump on a S1000R and have a race chassis and derived engine in an upright bike with more power / electronics / cheaper servicing / better fuel economy + tank range  etc for the same money as the RRP Daytona used to be.
Selling 272 units in the UK isn't enough per year. Some litre bikes are upwards of 800 units a year (s1krr) which provides enough R&D reimbursement when you have multiple bikes (R, RR< XR) on similar platforms.

Additionally Bloor Jnr who is running Triumph from the top dislikes sportsbikes. Must be a boring guy. No wonder Triumph is all cruisers and Bobbers that cost as much as a SuperDuke   :087:
Title: Re: Possibilty of Daytona 765 ?
Post by: MrGman on July 05, 2018, 06:32:25 PM
I've got a daytona 675r and rs and the idea of that engine in a daytona is something that really excites me, especially as they'd sacrifice some of the low down torque for a few more rpm and bhp I'd imagine.

I would love to see this happen and would buy one without question, but i can't see it ever happening  :003:

The super sport market isn't very strong at the moment for one, but mostly, the market for midsize super sports just doesn't exist, take a look at new R6 sales, litre bikes aren't far off price wise and now with all the electronics pretty much anyone can ride one with out the fear of having the skills needed to keep the thing on the road. 
Title: Re: Possibilty of Daytona 765 ?
Post by: Will Morgan on July 06, 2018, 11:41:54 AM
*Originally Posted by W_esty [+]
Additionally Bloor Jnr who is running Triumph from the top dislikes sportsbikes. Must be a boring guy. No wonder Triumph is all cruisers and Bobbers

Maybe Nick Bloor just prefers profit to sports bikes?

*Originally Posted by MrGman [+]
The super sport market isn't very strong at the moment 

If that changed I'm sure Triumph would rush back into that market to profit from the Moto2 engine development work.

Like it or not Triumph's business is principally to make money not bikes. Remember John Bloor originally only got involved in the bike industry as a spin-off from buying the old Triumph factory at Meriden to demolish & build houses, so he'd probably do the same at Hinckley if it was more profitable as a building site than bike factory!
Title: Re: Possibilty of Daytona 765 ?
Post by: Ali-bear on July 06, 2018, 11:52:53 AM
*Originally Posted by Will Morgan [+]
... Like it or not Triumph's business is principally to make money not bikes....

True, it has to be a profitable business.

*Originally Posted by Will Morgan [+]
... Remember John Bloor originally only got involved in the bike industry as a spin-off from buying the old Triumph factory at Meriden to demolish & build houses, so he'd probably do the same at Hinckley if it was more profitable as a building site than bike factory!

Not so sure about that. I think he also wanted to show you could manufacture motorcycles in the UK profitably if you did it the right way.

TBF a supersports bike is a lot more usable on the road than a superbike. So I think we can safely say that if the 765 Daytona is not going to happen there will definitely not be a 1050 Daytona.

Could there be an unfaired 765 with clip-ons?
Title: Re: 765 Daytona....what are people's thoughts on IF/WHEN we will see one.
Post by: Bel on July 06, 2018, 02:24:50 PM
I know of someone that has seen it. Can't give details but I have been told it's on the cards but not date yet. I would expect it to drop at one of the big bike shows this year or early next year. Would line up nicely with Moto2 introduction.
Title: Re: 765 Daytona....what are people's thoughts on IF/WHEN we will see one.
Post by: gosling 1 on July 06, 2018, 02:35:04 PM
Triumph offer a "Cafť Racer" kit for the Thruxton R, How about a "Moto 2" kit for the 765RS? I know it would not be cheap but a kit containing front fairings, clip-ons, and rearsets could be a good way to promote the Moto 2 connection and give those who want a fully faired 765 an option without having develop and homologate a totally new bike.