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Title: The ST vs STR thread - Post your questions and information about the topic here
Post by: Bel on June 17, 2010, 08:17:24 AM
Please post your ST vs STR related question and information on this thread, all old thread will get a link to this thread and then locked. All new thread will be moved into this one. Have fun and keep it coming.

Nikko wrote a intro for us:
 
STREET TRIPLE v STREET TRIPLE R  - a brief overview.

There are three main differences:  ride position, suspension, and brakes.

The ride position is subtly but significantly different.  The R seat is slightly higher, and feels further forward than it actually is. The result is more of an attacking ride position:  the R is more sit on , the standard sit in.  For those who know their bikes, the R feels more like a Super Duke, the Standard more classic street bike - relatively speaking. However, the differing ergonomics will have little effect on actual ride since geometry remains almost identical. In other words, it will be down to which ride position suits you physically, and that is best determined by test riding.

The suspension on both bikes has been a contentious topic.  In theory, the R should have the upper hand here, if only because the Daytona kit used fore and aft is more adjustable -  the OE shock on the standard bike is pretty basic. All else being equal, there should be no contest, but life was made more complicated than it should have been by the initial factory settings on the R being very much on the firm side. This may have been a consequence of reports that the shock on the standard bike felt vague when ridden at speed. The R suspension is an improvement on the standard, but new owners must be prepared to work on the settings for optimum road use - it is not unknown for Rs to have different adjustment on each fork when leaving the showroom.  Be prepared to use that adjustability and you will be rewarded. On both bikes, riders have commented that the front feels better than the rear, but much more so on the standard bike.  The latter's suspension can be improved, on the front with re-worked internals, and on the rear by replacement............. However, the suspension you need on your bike depends very much on application. If you ride steadily on reasonable roads, you may find that the OE suspension on the standard model suffices.

As far as the brakes are concerned, there really is no contest. It isn't that the two piston sliding callipers on the standard bike are poor - especially given decent pads and proper maintenance. But the R's four pot radials are excellent, giving loads of feel and allowing the rider to confidently trail into corners. Standard is fine: but the R has an definite advantage in the anchor department.

How does all this translate in terms of performance?  On one track test, the standard bike was timed fractionally faster with the same rider, but beware of a literal interpretation of that outcome. The respective state of the tyres, for example, could have been a factor. And the standard bike's ergonomics may have suited that particular rider - who knows.  It should also not be forgotten that it is the R posting very respectable times on the WSBK under-card race series. But the fact remains, the gap isn't vast.  The one that feels right for you is the wise choice, but as ever finances will play their part.

There was a time when the differential was a maximum of £500, depending on the deal.  All other things being equal, that made the R a no brainer for many. But times change, and the gap has increased.  Which means that comparatively, the R is less of a good deal than it was.  Putting that to one side, most people will know which is the one after test riding, which is absolutely essential. Your call.

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Title: Re: The ST vs STR thread - Post your questions and information about the topic here
Post by: Bel on June 17, 2010, 08:39:51 AM
Had time to read Nikko's post from start to finish.

So a few points that important to me on this subject:

1. Do a test ride back to back with the ST and STR before deciding! Afterwards come tell us about the result.
2. If colour and finance is playing a role in the decision then you probably have made your mind up 90% before you stepped into the showroom. Still do a comparison test ride.
3. Do test ride!

So that's my input into this subject.  :008:

Now get out there  :305:  :410:
Title: Re: The ST vs STR thread - Post your questions and information about the topic here
Post by: Jarse on June 17, 2010, 09:35:28 AM
I do like the Street Triple, but then, I do like the Street Triple R too.

But which is best?

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Title: Re: The ST vs STR thread - Post your questions and information about the topic here
Post by: jcp on June 17, 2010, 11:27:26 AM
Nikko has impressively summarised the differences between the two Striples.
I accept entirely that there are advantages to the "r" which he has identified in the adjustable suspension and the brakes.
The disadvantages are price,at least when new, and the feel of the slightly higher riding position. That is utterly dependent on a test ride to compare them.
I find the standard suits me ideally and so people should be aware that a change to the rear shock- I have the Nitron- substantially improved mine and it may be superior to the "r" shock, it is certainly lighter.
As to the brakes no-one should imagine the standard brakes are in any way short of stopping power. I cannot comment on them if neglected and it is to be hoped no forum member would allow that to occur. As to their feel and control for me the Pazzo shortie levers have made that easier.
Since the bikes have the same power and overall style I suspect the answer may often depend on appearance-about which there are no rules only taste.
A standard with some uprating will still leave enough cash to be significant often enough to pay a years insurance and quite a bit of petrol.

Title: Re: The ST vs STR thread - Post your questions and information about the topic here
Post by: ponny on June 17, 2010, 11:33:25 AM
Ordered my str totally on looks as I wanted the matt grey.
Yes it has more powerful brakes and adjustable suspension but as a normal road rider they don't really make a difference.
Ride postion when I tested them was so slight could not feel the difference.
Title: Re: Triple v Triple R - thoughts?
Post by: ozzer76 on June 18, 2010, 11:27:59 PM
Boswell10 on here has just test ridden an 'R' after owning a standard for the last 12 months.  He says the difference is amazing. 

For the extra £500 I cannot understand why you would not want better brakes and adjustable suspension.

Best ride both one after the other for a good hour or so. 

As it happens, I've just sold my STR.  Never ridden the standard but I can say I loved the 'R' to bits.  I will miss that bike but I now have a new Daytona to take my mind of things.

Will keep an eye on this site though and maybe one day I will pick myself up another Street!
Title: Re: The ST vs STR thread - Post your questions and information about the topic here
Post by: peatrich on June 19, 2010, 09:26:35 AM
If you have any other £500's you aren't using I will pm you my address mate :001:
Title: New R
Post by: bark3138 on July 14, 2010, 07:03:44 AM
Been pondering  getting a R over my standard ST, finally decided to go for it so traded in the wifes bike in part ex !!  :002:   Her suggestion, so she could nab my CB thou for herself, which is cool with me as the ST / ST R tick's more boxes for me.
Result !!
 :031:
Title: Re: New R
Post by: Bel on July 14, 2010, 08:17:18 AM
Your title suggested you went with the faster option  :008:

Congratulations, you have a new baby STR!
Title: Re: New R
Post by: jcp on July 14, 2010, 02:29:35 PM
Sorry to disagree with you bel- neither the title nor the post says whther or not bark has chosen the faster option since he has not said that his new bike is black. :007:
Title: Re: New R
Post by: benp1 on July 14, 2010, 02:56:46 PM
Ha, graphite is the fastest colour, black is in my shadow...
Title: Re: New R
Post by: Bel on July 14, 2010, 03:38:11 PM
 :008: Ahhh but it doesn't matter if he got Orange, Black or Graphite, he choose the faster option R, lmao.
Title: Re: New R
Post by: bark3138 on July 14, 2010, 06:50:43 PM
Its Graphite guys .....
Title: Re: New R
Post by: itollemache on July 14, 2010, 08:36:21 PM
*Originally Posted by bark3138 [+]
Its Graphite guys .....
Which just goes to show ... nobody's perfect  :001: :001:
Title: Re: The ST vs STR thread - Post your questions and information about the topic here
Post by: Boswell10 on July 15, 2010, 08:46:19 PM
I pick my nearly new phantom black str up tomorrow, after selling my standard triple after 12 months.  I sold my standard triple cause of the suspension, it's so soft on the front.  I test rode the R and could not believe the difference, it's like a different bike and that was on standard settings as well.  I had so much more confidence on the fast bends than I ever had on the standard bike. 

I've got a 3 month old str with arrow slip ons, front screen and visor, bellypan, oxford heated grips, seat cowl for £6800
Title: Re: New R
Post by: Steven1145 on July 16, 2010, 11:32:51 AM
Strange, everybody should know by now that the fastest one is the Phantom Black R  :305:
Title: Re: New R
Post by: jcp on July 16, 2010, 11:53:20 AM
*Originally Posted by Steven1145 [+]
Strange, everybody should know by now that the fastest one is the Phantom Black R  :305:
So many misconceptions.....
1. The "r" is pricier, not faster
2. Phantom Black is potentially as quick as Jet Black but Gold wheels are flashier but lose a small amount of speed. (slowing down to admire the reflections)
The fastest possible combination would probably be a phantom black with sports wheels rather than show wheels.
3. Graphite, because of the extra aerodynamic drag from the use of primer as a topcoat, looks faster than it is.
4. white is beautiful but too like old police T110s
5. Green is not quite a Kwaka,and a little "last year"
6. Red is nice and bright, speed not yet established.
7. Mustard is not right
8. For orange see graphite.
Bel, I suggest this definitive explanation should be made an FAQ. :028:
Title: Re: New R
Post by: Short-circuit on July 17, 2010, 08:23:37 PM
*Originally Posted by jcp [+]
So many misconceptions.....
1. The "r" is pricier, not faster
2. Phantom Black is potentially as quick as Jet Black but Gold wheels are flashier but lose a small amount of speed. (slowing down to admire the reflections)
The fastest possible combination would probably be a phantom black with sports wheels rather than show wheels.
3. Graphite, because of the extra aerodynamic drag from the use of primer as a topcoat, looks faster than it is.
4. white is beautiful but too like old police T110s
5. Green is not quite a Kwaka,and a little "last year"
6. Red is nice and bright, speed not yet established.
7. Mustard is not right
8. For orange see graphite.

Bel, I suggest this definitive explanation should be made an FAQ. :028:

 :008: Nail head, meet hammer
Title: Re: The ST vs STR thread - Post your questions and information about the topic here
Post by: itollemache on July 19, 2010, 01:44:41 AM
Agreed, nikko. It's not about straight line speed but how you handle the twisty bits. Even then its about having the most fun, not the shortest ride time - for me anyway.
The colour is not important, its the striple growl and induction roar. The bottom line is colour is bling, like Rizoma levers or carbon covers.  While they are nice (must... resist... carbon!) we can all agree its the striple first, last and always

 :410:  :037:


Title: Re: The ST vs STR thread - Post your questions and information about the topic here
Post by: jcp on July 19, 2010, 09:24:27 AM
Curses!!! Why do Nikko and Tollemache have to post so sensibly while I was trying to prolong the longstanding and pointless colour argument?
You are of course both right, drat drat drat.
Title: Re: The ST vs STR thread - Post your questions and information about the topic here
Post by: Red on July 19, 2010, 10:21:49 AM
 :002:

JCP........you could have said that the black ones are riden by the most able riders, thus still being the fastest colour  :008:

 :305:
Title: Re: The ST vs STR thread - Post your questions and information about the topic here
Post by: jcp on July 19, 2010, 12:32:31 PM
 :460:

Red,
thanks, that explains it!!!!
 :420:
The natural good taste of those who choose Black striples is accompanied by uncanny god-like riding skill.
(don't compare this with my post in the "Crash History" thread......)
Title: Re: The ST vs STR thread - Post your questions and information about the topic here
Post by: ColinG on July 19, 2010, 03:36:45 PM
Hey guys, you got me worried now. I read JCP's summary on the 16th and ordered a new jet black ST on the strength of it. Absolutely bog standard with no bling to slow it down. It should easily break 150  :005:, I reckon, when I have got through the break in period (and lost a bit a lot, of weight).
Title: Re: The ST vs STR thread - Post your questions and information about the topic here
Post by: jcp on July 19, 2010, 04:14:44 PM
Excellent choice-You will find that 150 is an everyday achievable speed on a jet black striple (although toggling the display to Kph does make it easier.......)
Title: Re: The ST vs STR thread - Post your questions and information about the topic here
Post by: jcp on July 19, 2010, 05:46:24 PM
*Originally Posted by Roders32 [+]
people who get the black one are fat cos it helps them look thinner and there probably a bit submissive! :305:


if your thin and pationate rather needy and want to get noticed attention seekingthen go orange..
 

and you can tell people its faster....   of course!

AND less of the fat you skinny git-you're probably ginger too! :230:
Title: Re: The ST vs STR thread - Post your questions and information about the topic here
Post by: Bel on July 19, 2010, 08:35:27 PM
*Originally Posted by jcp [+]
...you're probably ginger too! :230:

Play nice now, lol.
Title: Re: The ST vs STR thread - Post your questions and information about the topic here
Post by: itollemache on July 19, 2010, 08:46:50 PM
I don't know why this argument keeps coming back: the question was settled ages ago by Triumph themselves. See the PArknGo series thread: they are fast, largely stock Striples and the vast majority are orange. That must therefore be the fastest colour, since the majority of people would use the fastest bikes in a race series. QED
 :008: :008: :008:
Title: Re: The ST vs STR thread - Post your questions and information about the topic here
Post by: Red on July 19, 2010, 09:09:17 PM
 :002:

As black and white are not colours........and therefore to mix both, grey would not be a colour either, so less of a choice if this makes things easier. :028:

So whats best, ride the faster colour slow, or the slowest colour fast  :027:

But seeing how a tiny pedrosa can get a honda off the second row into the lead, maybe it is down to pork pies...........

So whats the fastest...a pasty or a pork pie............ :008:  :087:

 :305:

ps, a pork pie can roll a lot faster than a pasty  :431:
Title: Re: The ST vs STR thread - Post your questions and information about the topic here
Post by: Jelmo on August 05, 2010, 01:34:43 PM
*Originally Posted by RedST [+]
:002:

As black and white are not colours........and therefore to mix both, grey would not be a colour either, so less of a choice if this makes things easier. :028:

So whats best, ride the faster colour slow, or the slowest colour fast  :027:

But seeing how a tiny pedrosa can get a honda off the second row into the lead, maybe it is down to pork pies...........

So whats the fastest...a pasty or a pork pie............ :008:  :087:

 :305:

ps, a pork pie can roll a lot faster than a pasty  :431:

to a non native english speaker, that entire post made about as much sense as a flying banana in winter  :027:

You british are a funny bunch  :062:
Title: Re: The ST vs STR thread - Post your questions and information about the topic here
Post by: Red on August 05, 2010, 01:56:47 PM
 :002:

It may not have made a lot of  sense to folks here either  :008: :087: :008:

"Flying banana in winter"...... :027: we have them all year round now  :001:

 :305:
Title: Re: The ST vs STR thread - Post your questions and information about the topic here
Post by: yellowvanmanpj on September 06, 2010, 10:38:49 PM
oh god - just when i was beginning to get it sorted, i read this post - it seems that the only way i can get hold of a black STR (my preferred choice) is to buy brand new (and big bucks) - yet i have found two St in black with all the kit on them for what i think is a reasonable 5k ish each - (08 plates) 

now - i test rode the R and fell in love, didnt think to ride the standard, but assumed it couldnt be that different....

demo bike had underseat arrows and the sound was stunning i've had other cans on other race bikes, but this sound was by far the best...
one of the 5k bikes has a 3 2 1 low boy arrow on - will it sound the same/as good as the twin slip ons?

as regards the brakes, not really worried, im no track rider - although i enjoy a blast.
but as far as the suspension goes and the ride position - i loved the R i tested - it felt within two miles as if i had ridden the bike all my life - so now i'm worried about buying a standard....

suppose the only option is to go back and test ride a standard to compare ......................

any feedback welcomed !!  especially on the exhaust note - yours, confused - pete
Title: Re: The ST vs STR thread - Post your questions and information about the topic here
Post by: jcp on September 06, 2010, 10:59:30 PM
The Arrow single pipe is 3-1 (not 3-2-1) and has an incomparably wonderful sound. The 3-2 Arrow is, I'm sure, a great sound too but you would be well advised to hear a Low boy before spending your cash.
For road riding I suspect the brakes on either are fine. The "r" has adjustable suspension but it is still not especially high quality-in both cases it is made to a price. Since the engine and frame are identical you may be fine with a plain Striple-especially if your budget would accommodate a Nitron rear shock.
Try a plain Striple and see how you go-but don't buy without hearing the single exhaust.
Title: Re: The ST vs STR thread - Post your questions and information about the topic here
Post by: haggiswolves on September 06, 2010, 11:04:26 PM
If it helps, I could only get a new phantom black R. I am so glad I did, and got the bike I'd wanted and not settled for my 2nd choice colour.

Title: Re: The ST vs STR thread - Post your questions and information about the topic here
Post by: jaffa1963 on October 10, 2010, 11:23:05 AM
Since i'm upgrading from a Yamaha YBR125 to a Phantom Black Street Triple (not R) I'm happy to be the slowest. The brakes and suspension aren't an issue for me as they will still be much better than those i'm used to so i'll still feel like a pig in sh.t! :002:

Regards fastest colours. White is definately a colour as it is made up from the full light spectrum of all colours of the rainbow.

Black is total absence of colour. But since the phantom black gives off a rainbow colour when seen from an angle it can be argued that this is also a colour.

Bottom line is everyone knows Triumphs are the canines testicles and that phantom black is definatley the fastest, especially if Valentino Rossi is riding.

Yours,
jaffa1963
Steve
Title: Re: The ST vs STR thread - Post your questions and information about the topic here
Post by: sams675 on October 10, 2010, 09:41:09 PM
I tend to think that you can hear the underseat cans more when you are on the bike as they are higher up.

With earplugs I really dont hear the lowboy
Title: Re: The ST vs STR thread - Post your questions and information about the topic here
Post by: TripleJimmy on October 25, 2010, 02:27:45 PM
Here's my two pennith coming from someone who went straight in a brough an STR without a thought to the ST.

Could you spec a ST with the same bits as an STR for £700 nope.....nuff said...bargin!

 :001: Phantom black is the fastest colour  :018:

I all seriousness now. I rode the STR and brought one managing to get 600 quid off so all you need to do is haggle. When I took it back for the first service I was given a ST as a loaner. And IMO the extra I spent was 1million times worth it. To me it just felt soggy and flaccid and the brakes felt a bit soft although this could just be the fact that as a loaner its been spanked from the get go.

At the end of the day its what you like and want. I went for the R because it suited me, everything is subjective and as its been said before you are the only one who knows what your after. If you can go the little extra then i would if the ride is to hard then dial it in for you at least you have got the option. 
Title: Re: The ST vs STR thread - Post your questions and information about the topic here
Post by: jcp on October 25, 2010, 05:29:30 PM
The price difference posted is between new prices. If you buy a second hand one it is nearer £2000. You can certainly make a standard suit you and have change. For 2k I think you can make it better. The engine, exhaust, induction and ECU, frame, wheels and brake disks are the same. The differences are the forks, 08 Daytona, front callipers, 08 Daytona and rear shock, also 08 Daytona. The forks and shocks are differently sprung.
Nitron or Maxton will do a better than "R" shock and the Fork upgrade from Maxton is better than "r" spec.
You could even go Ohlins if you wanted for the Triumph accessory rear.
So if you want an "r" go new for black or second hand for Grey or Orange.
If you want black consider upgrading a Striple.
Title: Re: The ST vs STR thread - Post your questions and information about the topic here
Post by: hoolagain on November 14, 2010, 05:22:53 AM
You guys need to stop "tech-ing out", buy a Striple and thrash the nads off it  :134:
Title: Re: The ST vs STR thread - Post your questions and information about the topic here
Post by: Rode-Triumph on December 10, 2010, 11:21:32 PM
I was very impressed with the normal St , i have just picked a 3 month old one up for £5.000 , it's done 1000 miles & it;s got a belly pan & nose fairing in panther black , it looks like a new bike! , the brakes and suspension are fine by me , i have previously been riding a 1977 Yamaha RD400C!!
Title: Re: The ST vs STR thread - Post your questions and information about the topic here
Post by: hoolagain on December 11, 2010, 04:46:29 AM
Mate,the Striple is the new RD400  :062:
Title: Re: The ST vs STR thread - Post your questions and information about the topic here
Post by: Rode-Triumph on December 13, 2010, 08:38:44 PM
Your right , i didnt think i would ever sell thr RD'  but a soon as the striple came out i wanted 1 but the misses will only let me have the 1 bike :003: , so after 2 1/2 years of looking at them i sold the RD to buy 1 , i know it won't dissapoint :305:
Title: Re: New R
Post by: jdmforest on April 09, 2011, 11:20:14 PM
*Originally Posted by jcp [+]

3. Graphite, because of the extra aerodynamic drag from the use of primer as a topcoat, looks faster than it is.

Yeah I know this is an old post, but I've gotta straighten this whole debacle out!

The matt paint being " dimpled" is actually MORE aerodynamic than gloss, the air settles in the dimples making a surface much smoother than gloss for the remaining air to glide over with no friction.
That's why golf balls have dimples in them!
Also, a Chinese airline sprayed all their planes in just primer, and saved 10% on fuel in a year!

So basically the conclusion is..................

Matt graphite IS the fastest! :149:
Title: Re: The ST vs STR thread - Post your questions and information about the topic here
Post by: itollemache on April 09, 2011, 11:53:43 PM
A good argument with just one problem: matt orange is the fastest

 :008:
Title: Re: The ST vs STR thread - Post your questions and information about the topic here
Post by: alanmac on May 19, 2011, 08:49:23 PM
Has no one read the Performance Bike comparison?  :007:
Title: Re: The ST vs STR thread - Post your questions and information about the topic here
Post by: sedsy72 on May 20, 2011, 06:40:43 AM
*Originally Posted by itollemache [+]
A good argument with just one problem: matt orange is the fastest

 :008:

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Title: Re: The ST vs STR thread - Post your questions and information about the topic here
Post by: suziq on May 28, 2011, 11:12:58 AM
*Originally Posted by Rode-Triumph [+]
I was very impressed with the normal St , i have just picked a 3 month old one up for £5.000 , it's done 1000 miles & it;s got a belly pan & nose fairing in panther black , it looks like a new bike! , the brakes and suspension are fine by me , i have previously been riding a 1977 Yamaha RD400C!!

We race the RD400's in pre 89 racing down here in christchurch!!!
Title: Re: The ST vs STR thread - Post your questions and information about the topic here
Post by: Tamz on June 18, 2011, 09:26:03 PM
The R is also a few mm longer than the standard  :008:
Title: Re: The ST vs STR thread - Post your questions and information about the topic here
Post by: Wrighty on August 08, 2011, 03:23:57 PM
Hello all, I have to say having read all of the posts regarding ST against STR am I on the right forum or am I talking to experienced track riders?
I am now on my 44th motorbike since I was 16 (now nearing 50) I have owned most supersports, off roaders, tourers etc etc.
It is quite obvious that the R was pitched in by Triumph to offer more goodies but in truth they really are not required. £500 price difference would indicate this. With regard to brakes how on earth are the standard brakes inadequate in any way, how many of us are really grabbing a hand full of front brake at the last minute and hoping that there is enough there to slow/stop us? The standard ST has been compared to the classic 350LC and having owned a couple of those I can agree that my standard ST puts a smile on my face!
Title: Re: The ST vs STR thread - Post your questions and information about the topic here
Post by: jcp on August 13, 2011, 04:58:13 PM
Having ridden the same Striple with original and then "r" brakes Wrighty is both wrong and right. He is right that the standard brakes are entirely adequate they work well and have enough bite to test the adhesion of the front tyre-no more is needed. He is wrong in that the "r" brakes are not only potentially more powerful but they are easier to modulate making good brake control a little easier.
Better but not necessary for road use or, I suspect, track use too.
Title: Re: The ST vs STR thread - Post your questions and information about the topic here
Post by: Bel on August 13, 2011, 06:09:38 PM
I rode both back to back and preferred the extra bite the brakes of the R gave me. Personal preference came into play for me.
Title: Re: The ST vs STR thread - Post your questions and information about the topic here
Post by: Red on August 13, 2011, 06:15:46 PM
I agree the radials have the extra initial bite, and there some will say extra feel. This is all well and good in the dry, but even so the extra bite still needs a very gentle touch to feather, especailly when using rear too.

Both as said will do a stoppie or will lock the front  tyre. Many top testers still have to do several goes to get a good breaking distance.

We all need to test our braking on a regualr basis, we are riding on the road so  we only grab a handful rarely, so need to know what to do. In the wet and when in a panic I have found the radials too power full.

Gentle squeeze the a firmer squeeze.

Everybody is correct because thats their opinion, so the above was mine.
Title: Re: The ST vs STR thread - Post your questions and information about the topic here
Post by: bigjimknickers on September 18, 2011, 09:40:30 PM
Price came into it for me, I needed one for 4k, all I c :455:ould find for that was a ST, I would upgrade it to an R given the chance. Which may happen come tax rebate time! Or I could get a gsxr k1....  :007:
Title: Re: The ST vs STR thread - Post your questions and information about the topic here
Post by: darkhelmet on October 20, 2011, 09:47:50 PM
Does anybody know if there's a difference in the shape of the handlebars?
Sweep, height, width etc.?
Title: Re: The ST vs STR thread - Post your questions and information about the topic here
Post by: Red on October 21, 2011, 07:37:28 AM
Both models now use the same bars, were different pre 2012 model.
Title: Re: The ST vs STR thread - Post your questions and information about the topic here
Post by: darkhelmet on October 21, 2011, 08:01:03 PM
*Originally Posted by Red [+]
Both models now use the same bars, were different pre 2012 model.

Yup, i'm talking about the 'old' models
Title: Re: The ST vs STR thread - Post your questions and information about the topic here
Post by: RGVDave on November 26, 2011, 06:02:05 PM
Must say this has been most helpful in getting me up to speed with the differencies between and what parts and not what year are from the Daytona.

Just asked on a different topic for the differencies, should have read this first!

Mine will be the quickest as I am spraying up into ref white and green.. thats got to be the quickest combination surely..

David
Title: Re: The ST vs STR thread - Post your questions and information about the topic here
Post by: Delboy777 on November 26, 2011, 06:05:43 PM
 :008: :008: :008: :027: :027: :027: defo not lol
Title: Re: The ST vs STR thread - Post your questions and information about the topic here
Post by: lsim001 on December 03, 2011, 12:16:48 AM
*Originally Posted by Red [+]
Both models now use the same bars, were different pre 2012 model.

Oh really?  so both 2012 models use tappered bars? 
Title: Re: The ST vs STR thread - Post your questions and information about the topic here
Post by: andys350 on January 03, 2012, 03:35:06 PM
*Originally Posted by lsim001 [+]
Oh really?  so both 2012 models use tappered bars?

correct, both standard and R models with the new shape headlights have "fat" bars
Title: Re: The ST vs STR thread - Post your questions and information about the topic here
Post by: Sligeach on March 03, 2012, 10:42:13 PM
Can some one shed some light into the differences between the 2012 models?
Title: Re: The ST vs STR thread - Post your questions and information about the topic here
Post by: arg1271 on March 03, 2012, 10:45:56 PM
personal thing but I found the seat on the 2012 R more comfortable that the std ST, so I bought the R  :002:
Title: Re: The ST vs STR thread - Post your questions and information about the topic here
Post by: Sligeach on March 08, 2012, 03:02:46 PM
After searching the rear wheel is lighter and the engine cover is slightly different
 
I cant see if the bodywork is different from the 08-11 models to the 2012 model
Title: Re: The ST vs STR thread - Post your questions and information about the topic here
Post by: CharlieR on April 09, 2012, 11:22:16 PM
The better brakes and adjustable suspension did it for me, I went for the R. The radial calipers and master cylinder are far closer in feel and performance to my last bike - a ZX10R. The standard calipers are OK - the radials are just fantastic though.

On colours, I did prefer the purple of the standard street to be honest and very nearly swayed....but went with a Phantom Black R in the end cos I bought the demo bike.
Title: Re: The ST vs STR thread - Post your questions and information about the topic here
Post by: Black Rat on April 10, 2012, 12:25:32 AM
Top choice Charlie - agree 100%.
Title: Re: The ST vs STR thread - Post your questions and information about the topic here
Post by: Andy67 on April 10, 2012, 12:56:39 AM
Well done again CharlieR. Best bike and best colour.
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Post by: Sligeach on April 14, 2012, 10:28:58 AM
after more snooping, the pre-2012 model have a different bar set up and the bars and raisers are different and are not shiney!
Title: Re: The ST vs STR thread - Post your questions and information about the topic here
Post by: Andy67 on April 14, 2012, 11:30:26 PM
Congrats on the exchange. I'm sure you won't regret it.
Title: Re: The ST vs STR thread - Post your questions and information about the topic here
Post by: james.germany on May 31, 2012, 08:18:36 PM
well i rode a '10 stripleR when my speed1050 went in for a service. i loved it. couldnt afford to strech to one new so i have just bought a new standard striple without a test ride... hope it lives up to my expectations    :006:
Title: Re: The ST vs STR thread - Post your questions and information about the topic here
Post by: tw1000 on May 31, 2012, 08:40:28 PM
If I knew then what I know now I would have bought the ST rather than than the STR. IMHO the R suspension is sh@t for road and track.  Money I could have saved would have gone a long way to help the 1200 Quid I spent on upgading
Title: Re: The ST vs STR thread - Post your questions and information about the topic here
Post by: Die Hard on February 15, 2013, 11:48:25 AM
Last week I tried out both models, the standard being the first and I thought that although there was not much in it, the feel of the ride on the R was better. The standard bike did have me feeling as if I was moving up on the tank and the R less so. Did not focus on the brakes and I would not complain about either option. You could argue that you get used to the bike after the first ride so I would suggest trying out the R version first and if the difference is noticeable after the ride on the standard then an easy decision.

The colour mattered so once I decided on the R - I bought a red one [they do go faster  :062: ].

Cheers,
John
Title: The ST vs STR thread - Post your questions and information about the topic here
Post by: Mr.Noisy on February 15, 2013, 12:37:25 PM
*Originally Posted by Die Hard [+]
Last week I tried out both models, the standard being the first and I thought that although there was not much in it,

So is that little difference worth the price difference in your opinion?
Title: Re: The ST vs STR thread - Post your questions and information about the topic here
Post by: Die Hard on February 15, 2013, 01:55:06 PM
Yes -It was to me. Did not move towards the tank on decelleration/ breaking and that meant a lot.
Title: Re: The ST vs STR thread - Post your questions and information about the topic here
Post by: TripleS on February 16, 2013, 09:22:20 AM
I only did a testdrive on the R. Liked it very much, so I bought the R!
Title: Re: The ST vs STR thread - Post your questions and information about the topic here
Post by: Triplecanuck on March 03, 2013, 05:00:03 AM
I was caught in between buying the ST or the STR. Here in Canada there is $2000 dollars difference in price. I have owned and tracked several bikes ranging from RD350's to a yamaha R1 to a couple Husqvarna supermotos.  I ended up going with the standard ST. Here is my reasoning. For the $2000 difference here is what I added to my ST:
Leo Vince Evo 2 slip ons
Gilles rearsets
Pazzo short levers
Top Notch EBC front brake pads
Triple r rear shock (brand new off ebay)
Ohlins fork springs
Carbon fly screen
GB racing frame sliders
 
So really in the end I have a ST I have modded and made my own, and the only difference is I don't have the radial calipers.  I may do only 2 or 3 trackdays a year and I hardly doubt the str calipers are going to make that much difference.  I have had radials on my last 3 bikes and yes they work great, however for the average rider they are not needed.
Title: Re: The ST vs STR thread - Post your questions and information about the topic here
Post by: striplers on March 22, 2013, 12:35:20 PM
I went straight for the R.  Anything with an R in the title is better, this is scientific fact.  Like if a Lion was called a Lion R, it'd hunt twice as badass and bang twice as many lady lions.  It's not only science, but the way of mother nature, Jesus and his Dad - God R.
Title: Re: The ST vs STR thread - Post your questions and information about the topic here
Post by: Mr.Noisy on March 22, 2013, 01:22:08 PM
Bike magazine says that the R isn't £700 better. But even that is subjective. To some lucky #### £700 isn't much at all!
Title: Re: The ST vs STR thread - Post your questions and information about the topic here
Post by: climbingadam on March 22, 2013, 01:50:34 PM
What about buying second hand (which I'm in the process of doing!) would you go for a slightly older/higher mileage R or a newer/lower mileage standard for the same price? What's more important?
Title: Re: The ST vs STR thread - Post your questions and information about the topic here
Post by: Red on March 22, 2013, 02:35:10 PM
*Originally Posted by striplers [+]
I went straight for the R.  Anything with an R in the title is better, this is scientific fact. 

I have two R's in mine ----------stReet tRiple  :018:  - so mine must be twice as good  :027:
Title: Re: The ST vs STR thread - Post your questions and information about the topic here
Post by: striplers on March 26, 2013, 12:06:28 PM
*Originally Posted by Red [+]

I have two R's in mine ----------stReet tRiple  :018:  - so mine must be twice as good  :027:

Mine's got three.  stReet tRiple R - making it three times better at cornering, straight line acceleration and carrying the shopping home  :018:
Title: Re: The ST vs STR thread - Post your questions and information about the topic here
Post by: Red on March 26, 2013, 01:00:44 PM
 :008: :028:
 
I think we could be equal as mine also has three....
 
Reds stReet tRiple
 
 
Plus there is also another R to add - the R in diRty  :018:
 
strangely there is no R in equal, (or clean)  but well all agree teh Street is just gReat.
Title: Re: The ST vs STR thread - Post your questions and information about the topic here
Post by: hotmetal on May 06, 2013, 10:29:45 PM
Ah the old "is our worth it" question. I don't know, I test rode both and thought they were both ace. As it turned out I got a better deal on my R and it had a few extras on that I liked so rather than costing extra it was a no brainer. I have to say I like the brakes but can't say whether they are better by far cos I can't remember what the standard one felt like. It's nice knowing I got the best I could though, even if it never makes a differ to my ride.
Title: Re: The ST vs STR thread - Post your questions and information about the topic here
Post by: Stoffs626 on July 22, 2013, 08:56:55 PM
Only reason I went for new St was the colour. Couldn't get over the blue. It's awesome! If the r was in blue would have gone for that. The r looks cool cause got R on it. Rookie rider like me the suspension n brakes wouldn't make much diff for me.

 :031:
Title: Re: The ST vs STR thread - Post your questions and information about the topic here
Post by: Tomspurs on July 22, 2013, 09:07:25 PM
I agree the blue is the best of the new colours  :028:
Title: Re: The ST vs STR thread - Post your questions and information about the topic here
Post by: SaltyDog on August 05, 2013, 06:05:59 AM
Major difference I found between the standard and the R model was that there were no R models to be found anywhere and VERY few standard models, lol
Title: Re: The ST vs STR thread - Post your questions and information about the topic here
Post by: SauRoN on August 05, 2013, 10:20:22 AM
I've been told that as of the last stock going South Africa won't even bother importing the non-R version as they simply don't sell down here.
Title: Re: The ST vs STR thread - Post your questions and information about the topic here
Post by: tommo61 on October 26, 2013, 09:06:04 PM
Traded in my 2006 Daytona for a 2009 Street R. Although there was only a choice between Lime Green and Matt Burnt Orange I don't think you can beat the orange with all the trimmings. Interesting point about brakes on a used bike. My old Daytonas brakes were crap.  Turns out previous lady owner had been very gentle with it whilst accompanying partner who had a Harley. Ahum! Local bike shop advised several high speed (80-100mph) stops using high lever pressure. Result, #### hot brakes ,although Triumph rear brakes are disappointing. Those on my 62 Thunderbird are much better! :028:
Title: Re: The ST vs STR thread - Post your questions and information about the topic here
Post by: DEMON TROY on September 22, 2014, 06:54:11 PM
Well written.
For me the STR wins.
Title: Re: The ST vs STR thread - Post your questions and information about the topic here
Post by: el_gafas on October 26, 2014, 05:15:20 PM
Well, I had a 2012 R, got stolen, and now I have a 2012 standard. For me, on the street and with my style of riding there is no much difference between the two bikes, maybe a bit on the brakes, maybe it is just psychological... Having said that, I would have bought another R if I had not found this standard. The price was so good (and it only had 2500 miles) that it made a no brainier not going for it...
Title: Re: The ST vs STR thread - Post your questions and information about the topic here
Post by: NC35 on April 23, 2015, 09:15:55 PM
Just come from test and put the deposit on the "R"

Chopped in a Ducati for a the STR

It is what I wanted (getting a bit long In the tooth) but the riding style is very upright on both bikes.

Think you sit slightly further forwards on the R and I was told by the dealer the ride hight is 10mm higher with the R.

Suspension setup is an art and a personal preference.   With previous bike I have been lucky to have a friend in the know.  Even having bespoke shims made up. But a finely tuned suspension is susceptible to weight (full English at the stop off can make a difference), fuel level and temperatures.  The biggest effect on setup is the tyres.  An R with tyres at the wrong pressure will always be inferior to a standard ST running the same tyres at the correct pressure.

The stoppers on both are superb but even on a test rides with way too much town traffic the difference with the R is noticeable. Both were excellent.

Is it worth the premium. If you can afford it don't think twice.   If you can't I am pretty certain only a heavy track session will split the two.  Real world speeds on your favourite weekend twisted.

The biggest difference for me is how light and nimble the Speed Triple is.

Sorry for the long post,  just my 2p after the excellent test rides.
Title: Re: The ST vs STR thread - Post your questions and information about the topic here
Post by: Hamburg on September 30, 2018, 06:43:36 PM
I looked at both (2013 - 2015) and for me the standard bike swung it.

I thought the R colour schemes were a bit Garish and I preferred the basic bikes riding position.

But each to their own


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Title: Re: The ST vs STR thread - Post your questions and information about the topic here
Post by: jase675 on October 25, 2018, 10:10:02 PM
Hey guys

Just had a ecu custon build on my 2012, my question is is it a good return from Yoshi slipons and a bmc filter?

102.1PS 67.6Nm at rear wheel

I do have the dyno print out but in pdf so cant post

Title: Re: The ST vs STR thread - Post your questions and information about the topic here
Post by: jase675 on October 26, 2018, 01:09:30 PM
*Originally Posted by jase675 [+]
Hey guys

Just had a ecu custon build on my 2012, my question is is it a good return from Yoshi slipons and a bmc filter?

102.1PS 67.6Nm at rear wheel

I do have the dyno print out but in pdf so cant post
My bad it is attached  :008:
Title: Re: The ST vs STR thread - Post your questions and information about the topic here
Post by: Diablo red Dave on December 24, 2018, 07:22:23 PM
Having read all pages, there's nothing to say what the differences are to create the slightly different riding position, something I'd like to change with my standard 2010 street triple
Title: Re: The ST vs STR thread - Post your questions and information about the topic here
Post by: tim.8061 on December 24, 2018, 07:42:17 PM
I believe the shock is slightly longer on the R. I fitted a shock from a CBR600 and that raised it by the equivalent amount.
Title: Re: The ST vs STR thread - Post your questions and information about the topic here
Post by: Diablo red Dave on December 24, 2018, 08:47:43 PM
I had something like that but could never get any details.

Was never sure if it was the shock or linkage that gave the raised seat height, or the combination of them together. Another mod I've been looking into.

I've also heard the R forks are a fraction shorter, is this true or another internet myth.
Title: Re: The ST vs STR thread - Post your questions and information about the topic here
Post by: Tomspurs on December 24, 2018, 09:11:38 PM
I can conform that the rear shock on the standard model is 290mm and on the R it is 295mm, which gives it a lift at the back  :028:
Title: Re: The ST vs STR thread - Post your questions and information about the topic here
Post by: Diablo red Dave on December 24, 2018, 09:42:06 PM
*Originally Posted by Tomspurs [+]
I can conform that the rear shock on the standard model is 290mm and on the R it is 295mm, which gives it a lift at the back  :028:

 :028:
Title: Re: The ST vs STR thread - Post your questions and information about the topic here
Post by: RedBikeAgain3 on December 24, 2018, 10:28:02 PM
Hi Dave,
What age of Street are you particularly interested in?
I can’t speak about the shock length but on 2013 to 2016 Streets there is a 5mm spacer above the shock top mount on the R but not on the none R.
On Fowler’s or Worldof triumph it is described as ‘Spacer, Ride Height’.



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Title: Re: The ST vs STR thread - Post your questions and information about the topic here
Post by: Diablo red Dave on December 24, 2018, 11:34:23 PM
I've a 2010, round headlight dual high level can model.

But I've only ridden the newer 2014 R as a comparison that definitely has a more aggressive riding position. I know the newer 2013+ have different risers and bars that appear to have less rise but doesn't fit my fork clamps.

 Not wanting to fit lots of aftermarket parts but if I can get the feel I'm after from the triumph parts bin I'm happy to play around.


Title: Re: New R
Post by: fubar69 on December 25, 2018, 10:15:22 AM
*Originally Posted by jcp [+]
So many misconceptions.....
1. The "r" is pricier, not faster
2. Phantom Black is potentially as quick as Jet Black but Gold wheels are flashier but lose a small amount of speed. (slowing down to admire the reflections)
The fastest possible combination would probably be a phantom black with sports wheels rather than show wheels.
3. Graphite, because of the extra aerodynamic drag from the use of primer as a topcoat, looks faster than it is.
4. white is beautiful but too like old police T110s
5. Green is not quite a Kwaka,and a little "last year"
6. Red is nice and bright, speed not yet established.
7. Mustard is not right
8. For orange see graphite.
Bel, I suggest this definitive explanation should be made an FAQ. :028:




I can confirm that red is the fastest, but red with a white stripe is even faster.
Just reading this topic now.
Having bought my street new as standard, it was ample for my riding style for 5 years just using on the road.
Then I decided to tart it up as I wanted black forks, so upgraded to the r suspension, brakes and seat. The biggest difference I noticed was the brakes have so much feel compare do to non r. They’re is also a lot more power on the radial nissins.
Once the suspension was set up for me to get the most out of, I did find that I wish I spent the extra money when purchasing new on the R,
But then again they don’t do it in red.
Title: Re: The ST vs STR thread - Post your questions and information about the topic here
Post by: RedBikeAgain3 on December 25, 2018, 11:07:27 AM
*Originally Posted by fubar69 [+]

But then again they don’t do it in red.
After all the research and riding, that was my buying criteria right there.


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